@Kichae I must say that I am really suprised this is the one that has the most upvotes. I know most people come from Reddit and are like super internett nerds. But it is pretty disheartening at this is where the Kbin community is at.

I still have hope for the network, but it also attracts the worst kind of people to associate with as well. be it super right-wing people, or super anti-capitalist people, even like antisemetic, genocide denying tankies like the two devs of Lemmy, never touching grass and living in their own bubble, and the worst part, just really fumbling at everything they do, even as things manage to go their way.

I've been a part of the fediverse movement since the start, but it's sad to give so much and build so much for it to end up into this. Particurarly when I have personally put so much sweat and tears into it myself.

@ernest

@Kichae Most people don't hate email. I love email. It's the most successfull, healthy example of a decentralized network that empower not only enthusiasts like yourself, but the average person.

Every time I get a response from people like you, I get reminded of how selfcentered some people are to their own needs all the time, or wanting to promise a utopia even though we have the closest example to it that we actually can promise to people.

And not only that, you are a part of the unresponsible and toxic part of the fediverse.

You are the problem Ms. or Mr.

Edit: Seems like people need to be reminded 24/7. Lemmy is run by tankies that suppoort Russia, deny the genocide of Uighurs, and sooner than later is just going to destroy their platform. Read this thread

@ernest

@ernest While umbrella plattforms are great, if you want to think in the longterm, I wager this is something you might want to evaluate a bit. People may dissagree, but I think that in the longterm the fediverse will look much more like email, being a ecosystem of single providers, instead of a plattform consisting of many sub-providers, although there probably will always be space for it.

Umbrella platforms are great if you don't have a lot of infrastructure and capital as you can get a lot of horizontal growth without having to invest in it yourself. But in the long term this is a battle for the one big forum provider, the place people will go to have reddit-style groups in the fediverse. If you are smart and want to beat Lemmy to the dust I'd just push donations, and really build Kbin.social and make that your whole thing.

This is also way better for new people that are not familiar with the fediverse and instances, checking out Kbin.pub, which will make the onboarding that much more efficient than your competitiors.

This is also the direction Mastodon is going, and later also where Pixelfed is going, after I've pestered him for years.

Don't waste your time and jump over all the hoops. Kbin has so much potential, and going as the opensource hotmail/gmail "reddit" of the fediverse is the future! B-)

Anyway, I have great faith in you Earnest no matter how you do it. Go rock the world!

@ernest You should do a big announcement for your donation thing. Do you have like a official Kbin fediverse profile for people to follow?

@Errant IDK if there would be any interest at all really anyway lol

@juergen I don't think he implied that he actually is a communist though lol

@BentiGorlich Kbin already has this functionality on https://kbin.social

@newtosh critiques like these of names makes no sense to me.

@billyjoebowers

@Andreas My goals is to empower most people and not enthusiasts.

@Andreas The answer is that if it's worth it for Meta to pull out it means the fediverse isn't successfull at the things it needs to be successfull at. Email the closest equivalent which is a success, and it will never make sense for a email provider to pull out, which is what the fediverse needs to achieve.

@Andreas There is no evidence that is a real thing. Either the technology wasn't profitable for the big tech company, like XMPP, or big tech uses it in everything, like RSS, but normies just don't like to use it. If Meta join and then close itself into a silo it's the fediverse's fault.

Update: Now there are 16 downvotes on Lemmy, but like 1 upvote. While on Kbin 18 upvotes. xD

@buda @elight

@Kaldo We already have flipboard, Mozilla and others investing heavily. So I don't think it's out of the question. But we do not really know of profitable the fediverse is for investment yet though. We see profitable apps, but we haven't seen profitable platforms. Most of it is umbrella platforms that utillize community funding and engagement to keep a larger userbase. But it's not a very long-winded approach.

@sharkato

Yeah, sure. And if you feel the heat you can always jump over to kbin.social whenever

There are a lot of communities to discover on kbin.social's magazines , I have also made my own community for Buddhism, although I'm not sure how many people here are really interested in that.

It is called lotide. You can read about it here https://sr.ht/~vpzom/lotide/ , I guess there is also a 4th one called prismo, but the developer put down their project for various reasons, so i don't count it in.

True!

From the information in the OG reply it seems pretty out of hand to me though, which makes the switch to Kbin that much easier as it's just plain better, and have full functionality to interact with microblogs. If Lemmy was the only one it would makes sense to fork it if needed, but now we have like 3 reddit-like fediverse platforms that we can choose between.

Personally I find Kbin more usable (while still being reddit-like) as it also has functionality letting you follow on normal microblogging content from Mastodon and other places, making it more intertwined with the whole fediverse.

This, but instead of Lemmy it is Kbin. xD

Jesus this got massdownvoted by Lemmy tankies! xD Luckily there isn't the same impact on Kbin when viewing the OG comment.

Oh, I totally forgot about that one. This is probably the best thing to go to. lol

1. They do not hide it, they will honestly answer you if you ask them. You can also see it if you look through the post history of the devs on lemmy.ml.

The two main guys:
https://lemmy.ml/u/dessalines
https://lemmy.ml/u/nutomic

1. I think they try to have a wider community, the issue is more that you'll get dogpiled and continually massdownvoted if the communists on lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml doesn't particurarly like you. This is a common reason some people switch over to Kbin I have heard too. And the bar for being a 'western liberal' is very low. This is not something they take much responsebillity over even though it is their own crowd.

And I'm not someone who uses the word Tankie without care. It's properly assigned in this case.

While political opinions aren't required or something you have to be neutral on, their particurlar political positions and crowd are so radical it taints their project and any meaningful possibillity of success. And not only that, but they are active members of their community pushing their narrative, as well as fosters a community of the same kind, it all making it really unlikely for others to want to collaborate with them, or any greater audience to stay.

Also the 'ml' in 'lemmy.ml' stands for 'marxist lenninist', which is their flagship instance, and the Chinese genozide example is just 1 example among a long line of problematic views. (Their avatars are different pictures of Fidel Castro btw) As well as there being sentiments of Russia going back to the USSR and all that. Some of that has been altering a bit after the Ukrainian war in terms of how they talk about it, but they are still in the same boat as years ago, pushing NATO being created by nazis to battle the communists, and started the project because they were getting banned on reddit.

I'm really wondering if this really is the thing that gets 'everyone' into the fediverse, and how long it might take before it disconnects as it doesn't need the fediverse to thrive.

Think of it like email. You are on one of the Lemmy providers, while we are on one of the Kbin providers, being able to send email to each other. :D