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Asklemmy CraigOhMyEggo 4 days ago 71%
What is your criteria based on which you feel something someone says calls for proof or not?

So it's almost the end of 2024 and many of us are still in the "New Atheist Movement" mindset (not dissing on atheism, just the movement). I was in a conversation with someone recently and it made me think of the title question. We had an adventure in philosophy. The person said they were from Pitcairn, as in the country known as Pitcairn, the one with only fifty people living in it. I naturally responded with "uhhh yeah that's going to be a big pill to swallow." "Where are you from" the person asked? "I'm from so-and-so." "Oh, that one village in the Southern US with only forty citizens? I'm going to take a while to register that." "But you said you were from an island." "Literally the only difference between where you're from and where I'm from is it's surrounded by water. Does the water affect the odds?" The message she was getting across seemed clear. "Proof" is relative. At another point, we spoke about religion. "Can you prove Jesus existed?" "No. Can you prove Genghis Khan existed?" "No, but Jesus made some high claims." "And look at what people said about Genghis Khan who was said to conquer a whole continent." At one point, we spoke about God. "Can you prove God exists?" "Well... have you ever heard of [the church of Google](https://churchofgoogle.org/Proof_Google_Is_God.html)? Is it impossible for something to be considered a true god? Are some things not based on proof but rather criteria?" "So basically you're saying anything can be a god if you try hard enough?" We also spoke of dating at one point. "You got these guys who say 'pics or it didn't happen' but here I am, belonging to a subgroup of humanity that consists of approximately fifty percent of the population if not more, and suddenly I'm held in suspicion because the demographic of the specific community I was in had my subgroup of humanity slightly outnumbered, yet you can say you have something rare like ELS syndrome and people take your word. Go to Lemmy and ask what separates a claim that calls for proof from a claim more fitting in peoples' minds to take their word for it." "Maybe don't make claims then." "Why not? On the world's largest source of knowledge I can't make descriptors?" "I tend to think peoples' definitions of claims-that-need-proof to be subjective." "Hence why you should ask. But... does each individual have a consistent sense of it? Can they describe in words why claim A can be taken in their mind as is while claim B requires proof? And while some will say it's a matter of knowing someone and trusting them, if someone came running through Walmart saying 'run for your lives, there's a bad entity on the loose', I'm sure people would panic even though they have no proof of anything." So I'm asking you. What separates them?

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Ask Lemmy CraigOhMyEggo 5 days ago 100%
How do you unhear accents?

I'm not sure if this is going to sound strange, but I'm so accustomed to the voices of different kinds of people that my mind at this point just registers the many different accents as different voices within one accent (as in my mind doesn't say "oh that's another accent" anymore, it doesn't register it) and I actually miss being able to appreciate peoples' accents as accents, which sucks when for example you're attracted to them.

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Ask Lemmy CraigOhMyEggo 5 days ago 93%
What's the most revealing small detail you've noticed in a photo or short video?

Question inspired by looking through the photography collection of a very controversial figure, and at one point I spotted her reflection on a spoon at a dinner table, and I thought "wait, is that Anne Hathaway?" It's always fascinating to know when you secretly have a celebrity in your social circle.

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    CraigOhMyEggo
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    Was going to answer this earlier but I thought maybe someone else might before I did.

    Yes, you're on the right track, give or take a little nuance. On Reddit, this would get someone banned in a heartbeat, which is arguably not entirely out of left field.

    To explain it in summarized terms, basically there's an admin of the ML instance and a community mod (the mod is from the community !casualconversation@lemm.ee).

    The mod and the admin happened to meet up on a post about LGBTQ+ rights, the mod herself being on the asexual spectrum. The mod brought up (because she thought it was relevant, as a third party member I guess) that the American Democrat Party often appeals to groups (such as Islam, even not minding their extreme side) who have a history of not seeing eye to eye with the LGBTQ+.

    The admin, who is known for being very articulate but reached a new low I've ever seen with this incident, tried getting his opinion in to no avail before removing half of her (the mod's) replies there, banning her from a bunch of random communities to get a point across, effectively made her leave the instance, exposed private information of hers out of spite if that wasn't enough, and then backlashed on Reddit when someone called him out on it.

    Reading between the lines makes me think of the encounters I've had with Islamic extremists.

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    CraigOhMyEggo
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    Was going to answer this earlier but I thought maybe someone else might before I did.

    To explain it in summarized terms, basically there's an admin (of the instance I'm in) and a community mod (the mod is from the community !casualconversation@lemm.ee).

    The mod and the admin happened to meet up on a post about LGBT rights. The mod brought up (because she thought it was relevant) that the American Democrat Party often appeals to entities (such as Islam) who have a history of not seeing eye to eye with the LGBT.

    The admin, who is known for being fiery but met an all-time low with this incident, tried getting his two cents in, to no avail, before removing half of her (the mod's) replies there, banning her from a bunch of random communities to get a point across, scared her out of the instance, exposed private information of hers out of spite, and then backlashed on Reddit when someone called him out on it.

    The response of mine above includes my suggestion that not doing anything might as well amount to other instances being victim to manipulation.

    Considering the presidential debate just happened in the US, it brings to mind election extremism as a means of propaganda.

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    CraigOhMyEggo
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    Cool-headed? What was going on I wonder with the modlogs inferring he spammed the ban hammer against her in four different communities (three would be unrelated) before the initiation of official instance action (all with the default reason cited, like he wanted to drive the statement of a grudge home)? The only thing she was elaborating on was how counter-intuitive it is American Democrats split their sympathies between the LGBT and the complete creed of Islam (hence the part in the OP about the LGBT, of note is the fact her asexuality is alluded to in conversation almost each time corresponding to something like this happening). Honestly sounds like a particularly agenda-based sentiment.

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    FediLore + Fedidrama CraigOhMyEggo 6 days ago 78%
    Admin u/davel doxes u/shinigamiookamiryuu (mod of lemm-ee's casualconversation) during civil debate, lies about method of info retrieval, in doing so implies he endorses stalking, and has a Reddit fit

    That moment when, if I ever get banned from the ML instance, one might as well tell me to treat it as an extension of the act of fleeing while entrusting Archive Today and the victim to relay this message (totally becoming of the spokespeople for the people's liberation, /s also I would not voluntarily remove a thread of mine, so if this is gone by the time you get the archive...). I consider myself a typical Orwellian person within the ML instance (fun fact, stands for Marxist-Leninist) who believes in the validity of debate, diplomacy, and standing up for oneself, having signed up for ML because the others were overcrowded when I was led to see Reddit as bad news due to the API (yet here I am). If I don't want to engage with someone, I leave, and if someone disobeys the rules of something I'm the admin of (not any instance), I ban them *with tools already at my disposal* (as opposed to actual attacks using tools not anyone's business, and that was after banning her). Sadly this [isn't](https://lemmy.ml/post/19971491/13502131) [everyone](https://archive.ph/IJK6B). Worth mentioning on behalf of someone afraid of breaking rules against block evasion/retaliation, being the Orwellian I am who won't stand for things like the creed-based/LGBT discrimination I see. I see this (unauthorized username revelation and a false excuse of finding a rabbit hole) and I think "what's next, will admins threaten to reveal our passwords as the norm in due time". The US is on the verge of banning Tiktok for such shit, and here we are thinking of ourselves as invincible, like some cult. When someone then [mentions it on Reddit with her permission](https://archive.ph/cldTX) (and yes I have permission too), he [shows](https://archive.ph/FjX0s) [up](https://archive.ph/lfvzp), claims she has the same name on 20 sites (when the dox that anyone can read clearly shows otherwise, and I did doublecheck his new claims, they're false again), and tries to demoralize the thread. I'm ashamed personal attacks and stealing info/photos is the norm for my brethren. And I'd bet a pretty big wager to prove me wrong, just to see if people would think they can. This is out of hand, can we either overhaul admins or defederate ML considering all the threats of banishments make it dead weight? Because I feel like a sanction is in order.

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    Did you really just dox someone twenty-fold and dismiss them as an intentional "firehose" of drama/nonsense without any proof/testimony/investigation whatsoever before banning them to get out of a debate? You guys are low.

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    Asklemmy CraigOhMyEggo 2 weeks ago 100%
    What duration of time do you connect to intellectual property?

    It's one thing that copyright/IP is such a matter of debate in the creative world, but a whole new layer is added onto that when people say that it only matters for a certain amount of time. You may have read all those articles a few months ago, the same ones telling us about how Mickey Mouse (technically Steamboat Willy) is now up for grabs 95 years after his creation. There are those who say "as long as it's popular it shouldn't be pirated", those who say "as long as the creator is around", those who don't apply a set frame, etc. I've even seen people say they wouldn't dare redistribute paleolithic paintings because it was their spark on the world. What philosophy of statutes of limitation make the most sense to you when it comes to creative work?

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    You'd be correct in your caution, as it just so happens that was all tried, to disastrous results.

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    At least you'll have more time to work on original characters then. Which you do have, right?

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    When someone in the artist community says OC, it always means that, and nobody ever actually spells it out. So my thinking was, if there were as many artists on here as I thought there would be, someone might have one they could talk about.

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    Yeah, but they teach them to do that outside the water, in environments specially made so they have no issue with it. I mean modes of expressive artistry that can be done while under the water, in their natural niche. Think, what can you teach a dolphin that they can take with them back to the wild and maybe teach to younger dolphins?

    I'm sure, for example, if there were crops that grew underwater, they could make their own crop circles.

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    That's art but not the same kind I was asking/wondering about. That's more performative art, or "the arts", than the kind of thing you'd learn to form in an art class.

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    Asklemmy CraigOhMyEggo 2 weeks ago 90%
    If you were tasked to train/teach dolphins how to be artists and express themselves via creative expression, what method of doing so would you designate for them?

    Was wondering this in celebration of the fact dolphins have officially been confirmed [to have their own translatable proto-language](https://www.tiktok.com/@icon6_news/video/7400717636465642784), a longtime speculation we kind of already knew [and which fulfills a friend's prophecy](https://lemmy.ml/post/16032113). It's common to train animals to perceive and perform art, and/or for them to already have a sense of what it is. Give an elephant a brush and a canvas [and they'll paint glyphs of other elephants](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foahTqz7On4), chimps [can draw avant-garde "masterpieces"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af2yvR4hVd8), and pigeons can even be trained [to recognize the difference between good and bad art](https://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/science-communication/2021/04/07/pigeons-know-the-difference-between-good-and-bad-art/). Dolphins surpass all of these animals in intelligence. But there's just one problem, they live underwater. And water tends to destroy most art mediums. Paper canvases shrivel, residue washes and floats away, hammers made for sculpting tend to strike softer, sculpting ice floats, fashion requires sources of fabric you can't get underwater, you get the idea. A dolphin's life is Murphy's Law for an artist. But for an artist, if there's a will, there's a way, and humans are known to challenge what we expect to be ways in which art can be created, such as with [crop circles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPY19drp7M), [Nazca lines](https://www.britannica.com/place/Nazca-Lines), [shadow art](https://www.pinterest.com/shadowmatic/shadow-art/), and soap sculptures [made from microwaving soap into molds](https://happyhooligans.ca/ivory-soap-microwave-experiment/). What improvised method/means of artform would you coach dolphins to do who want to be artists if you had to do so in some way?

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    It's a term in the artist community to refer to characters that are standalone, as in they aren't from a particular work of fiction, which are in turn stereotypically (but not always) used for purposes of roleplaying.

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    Asklemmy CraigOhMyEggo 3 weeks ago 25%
    Do you agree we should do to the whole world wide web what we do to the fediverse?

    I might covertly edit this post for clarification, but basically my concern goes like this. We have all seen it, we're watching a commercial for a fancy new site and at the very end they say "ask for parents' permission before joining". We like to think the collective exists for all mankind, the final bastion of stoic cosmopolitanism and truth. But there are times when you may think "err, maybe not this person". I have a friend who is registered for a certain service and likes it a lot, and recently got scared out of her mind because a relative of hers who has autism and doesn't understand so much as digital etiquette got banned from the same service due to getting scammed and just kept re-registering and getting re-banned over and over because this was an example of an inexperienced mind who had all the resources to break the norms, and several times the people in charge of the service thought about banning the whole family (I am in fact active in [a certain community](https://www.deviantart.com/) that is [full of](https://www.tumblr.com/deviantartdramahub/734121261344653312/am-i-the-only-one-completely-peeved-by-the-fact?source=share) this kind of poor soul). This at one point got me thinking, how helpful it might be if we federate everything in existence, similar to Neopets services which gave you a different experience depending on your registered age group. You could have "the kids corner" or "the autism corner" or even [an animal corner](https://lemmy.ml/post/16032113) or robot corner or [alien corner](https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/Extranet), a [seeming limitless](https://lemmy.ml/post/14812995) potential, fediversal accommodations to the different types of minds out there, with people not having to worry about what trouble is caused by their youngsters and whatnot because they have "the kidernet" which connects to the other "nets" and can keep them out the same way. Does nobody think this? I personally think we should fediversify existence itself, with [language and identity](https://www.reddit.com/r/kokanu/comments/1eyv3xm/comment/ljij3qu/) being one useful example.

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    Even if your parents weren't truly bad, what was the most narcissistic/narcissist-esque trait or thing they ever did?

    As someone with good parents, I get very demoralized hearing about how ungodly awful most peoples' parents were. It's so ubiquitous that I almost (almost but not quite) subscribe to the philosophy my friends have where they hold that children should (literally) be raised "by the village" rather than by two parents, which in theory would minimize the effects of one imbalanced mind having full control over the children. Lately I've been reading a lot of books on narcissism and have been picking up on the idea/notion/possibility/viewpoint that narcissism is a spectrum like autism is. In autism, which itself is incredibly common due to the fact that it's multiple genes/processes/whatever performing multiple parts of a spectrum (think a carpet representing humanity and a shattered cup on the carpet, I use the shards in this visual to represent pieces of the spectrum scattered across humanity, apologies if anyone thinks a shattered cup seems like a negative comparison, I don't), you have the majority of humanity having some variance in it, which goes to demonstrate there's no such thing as a neurotypical. As in, if a scouter was invented that instead of scanning your power level scanned your autism level, everyone would have their very own signature number. ~~I would be over 9000.~~ Same with narcissism, if this view is correct, as it would be another shattered glass on the carpet that is humanity, with the shards from both glasses overlapping in their territories (which when you think about it makes the family dynamics in The Good Doctor all the more awkward, it's one spectrum at odds with another in a show where the main character is a medical savant with autism). And again, not trying to make an awkward comparison, I have friends who openly confess to me they're deep on the narcissism spectrum, and these people at least are trying their best in life, as well as showing narcissism is a neutral condition that just happens to seem more negative in modern urban situations. Consider this the sequel to [my last such question](https://lemmy.ml/post/18818315) which had a similar idea to it. What's the most narcissisty your parents ever come or came, even if you hold them in generally good regards?

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    Asklemmy CraigOhMyEggo 4 weeks ago 88%
    How would you react if Reddit joined the fediverse?

    Similar to the time Soviet Russia wanted to join the anti-Soviet alliance which was trying to pretend wasn't made to plot against the soviets.

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    Does anyone have any life hacks on how to link to a Lemmy post from Reddit?

    I heard Reddit seems to shadowban posts and comments it finds that link to Lemmy. I use both sites (I have my reasons) and was wondering if there was a way anyone could advise where I can link to Lemmy posts that are important/relevant in particular Reddit discussions without fear of getting the boot.

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    It's more of a hypothetical question, but I've heard someone on here put forward the idea that this site should be in the fediverse, which inspired the question.

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    Asklemmy CraigOhMyEggo 1 month ago 91%
    Do you consider the concept of honor to be self-explanatory? Why?

    When I say honor, what I mean is the idea of every individual being called to answer to everyone else. You know, the kind of thing you see from the Klingons. "You are thirty and unmarried, you bring dishonor to us" or "shame on your family for eternity because you were arrested for terrorism" or "what a disgrace you are for not having the skillset of your parents". This goes deeper than that though, sometimes it's more subtle, for example you might run into old classmates and all they want to know is how your brother is doing, or people keep telling you that you should live up to your sister or they might put you in some kind of shadow. People who defend honor will often say "it is the masses who have spoken, enough said" but do you consider this self-explanatory and why? Because I have many questions sometimes that get no answer that seem to undermine the very justification of honor, for example... what defines a member of an honor culture, is the internet seen as a valid method of manifesting an honor culture, does an honor culture that faces a schism and breaks off from another become a dishonorable honor culture or equally valid, who was the first person to believe in certain ideas from which the honor culture got its conclusions, how did said person justify their ideas, is it dishonorable to find loopholes in the rules of the honor culture, are you dishonored if you save the life of someone who is seppukuing, what if this person happens to be the emperor, etc.

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    Asklemmy CraigOhMyEggo 1 month ago 96%
    Do you have a form of government you invented/conceived, either as an idea or for fiction (or a favorite from someone else)? How does it work?

    As kids, we're told only people who go to college/university for politics/economics/law are qualifiable to make/run a country. As adults, we see no nation these "qualified" adults form actually work as a nation, with all manifesto-driven governments failing. Which to me validates the ambitions of all political theorist amateurs, especially as there are higher hopes now that anything an amateur might throw at the wall can stick. [Here's my favorite from a friend.](https://files.catbox.moe/e98bwy.png)

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    How do you get a random site you like to join the fediverse?

    Suppose there's this site I really like, and I like the fediverse, and I think it would be awesome if they joined the fediverse, to benefit everyone involved. Is it like how it was in the Zorro movie where they vote California into the US, Zorro swipes all the voting boxes with a Z, and everyone cheers, or is it not possible for just any random schmoe site to join?

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    Asklemmy CraigOhMyEggo 1 month ago 80%
    What rule or rules would you add to the ten commandments of web etiquette?

    They're semi-famous now, but it was actually a friend of mine [who originally wrote them](https://www.deviantart.com/triagonal/art/The-Ten-E-Cepts-written-based-on-one-s-experience-899257268). They're a list of ten rules of thumb to go by when using the internet. They imply things like the potential drawbacks of assuming someone's other identities, how to caution against archive forgery, when the best time is to complain about mods, etc. and serve as a go-to for advice on interpersonal relations when indirect contact is at play. Written in the style of a Greek philosopher, they were written in a setting where people were committing massive collateral damage with their animosity/gullibility/skepticism and they have paved a better modus operandi than [many contemporaries](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RulesOfTheInternet) can. Confidently asserted but open to at least some change, what would you add?

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    Casual Conversation CraigOhMyEggo 1 month ago 88%
    Let's play a game: Round robin!

    How round robins work: How they work is a person starts a story by laying out the first sentence, and a reply comes up with the next sentence to the story, and whatever replies to that reply becomes the next sentence, and so on and so forth. So it's like if Twitch wrote a novel, though it's a classic game, one that serves as a remedy for writers' block that also happens to be fun. First person to reply starts the story.

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    casualconversation Casual Conversation There should be a law
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    CraigOhMyEggo
    3 months ago 100%

    Having read all of this a few times and thinking about each thing being talked about, there is one thing that comes to my mind: discounts

    I remember when I was little, there were certain places like the movie theater or certain venues that have a "partnership discount system". They would treat groups of people with under a certain number of people as a singular individual, more or less, or favorably in certain aspects. They'd make the whole experience this way. If you showed up with a friend, you'd get more out of the experience than if you showed up on your own. Probably how the occupation/client aspect mentioned would work. So there are small social engineering tricks I'm sure which can combine in a contrived way to make a system that entices the middle of Maslow's needs to be fulfilled.

    Something like that in of itself just requires privately enforced discretion.

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  • asklemmy Asklemmy What's the closest thing you have to a life story/occurrence that would be the kind of story they'd tell on Untold Stories of the ER?
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    asklemmy Asklemmy If someone were making a cartoon with you as one of the characters, what would your outfit be?
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    asklemmy Asklemmy What do you wear for work?
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    CraigOhMyEggo
    4 months ago 100%

    Unless I misunderstand, the last one seems pretty normal. So you just happen to only default on one normal thing? Also, sorry for confusing things earlier and leading to this weird convo path.

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  • asklemmy Ask Lemmy Anyone got some funny "that wasn't a fart" stories to read to my coworker?
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    CraigOhMyEggo
    4 months ago 100%

    You were an exchange student? I've always wanted to be one of those. Any horror stories when abroad, like realizing you had to know more languages, finding a host, getting stuck...?

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  • asklemmy Asklemmy What reading style do you consider more tedious to read, A) short, concise, and precise, but using non-layperson vocabulary, B) using layperson vocabulary, but it's longer, drawn out, and not precise?
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